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		<title>By: Michael D. Woods</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael D. Woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That’s the second dopiest set of propositions I’ve ever heard, and I’m not even ordained!

1)	Divine Writing: The Bible, down to the details of its words, consists of and is identical with God’s very own words written inerrantly in human language.

This could only have been written by someone who knows only one language.  Even rudimentary acquaintance with another language would tell him how the statement is impossible.  Does he propose that Jesus’s words came to us from Aramaic (or maybe sometimes Hebrew) through Greek without having to make approximate word choices?  What was “over the waters”?  A wind?  A spirit?  And then into English (see(5))?  And what about the variety of literary styles, where, for example, Paul’s writings are in a distinct style different from Peter’s or Moses’s.  Finally, those making this claim show ignorance of literary possibilities, such as apocalypse.  Anyway, why should the author of all language confine himself to a single genre, explication?

2)	Total Representation: The Bible represents the totality of God’s communication to and will for humanity, both in containing all that God has to say to humans and in being the exclusive mode of God’s true communication.

Does that mean that all the theology and inspirational material written since the canon was settled are without value?  (5) and (8) bear on this too.  I imagine that much that has been written since the canon was established might be included now if it were a new subject.  I especially like Sanctorum Communio as a candidate.  You might have some favorites too.

3)	Complete Coverage: The divine will about all of the issues relevant to Christian belief and life are contained in the Bible.

Perhaps by implication.  But if it is, I must draw out the implications, and so I must interpret (see (5)).  What do I do about my sassy children?  Bring them to the gate to be stoned?  Or did Jesus in the case of the woman taken in adultery abrogate that command.  If He did, I can find out only by reaching a conclusion myself—it doesn’t say so explicitly.

4)	Democratic Perspicuity: Any reasonably intelligent person can read the Bible in his or her own language and correctly understand the plain meaning of the text.

Then what does this mean, “The sons of the gods saw that the daughters of men were fair and took for themselves such women as they chose.”?  If there’s a plain meaning, or any meaning for that matter, I can’t see it.

5)	Commonsense Hermeneutics: The best way to understand biblical texts is by reading them in their explicit, plain, most obvious, literal sense, as the author intended them at face value, which may or may not involve taking into account their literary, cultural, and historical contexts.

That’s a good start, but Jesus himself uses parables which he explains as allegory when the disciples ask.  Is Job history, biography, or fiction?  It doesn’t matter because that’s not what the book is about.  And this, “The Lord said to my lord, ‘come and sit by my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.’”  I imagine David as court musician singing this as praise of Saul, but Jesus uses it to refer to himself as messiah, and his hearers apparently understood it that way, but it’s a second-level interpretation.  

6)	Solo [sic] Scriptura: The significance of any given biblical text can be understood without reliance on creeds, confessions, historical church traditions, or other forms of larger theological hermeneutical frameworks, such that theological formulations can be built up directly out of the Bible from scratch.

If you can do that, you’re more perceptive than I am.  I need contact with other Christians of all times to keep me on course.  I don’t want to make the mistake of thinking today’s pet idea (or, worse, my pet idea) is universal. Lewis warned about that, and he knew all the original languages and was acquainted with literature from all of history.

7)	Internal Harmony: All related passages of the Bible on any given subject fit together almost like puzzle pieces into single, unified, internally consistent bodies of instruction about right and wrong beliefs and behaviors.

Then why do Acts and the epistles differ on whether Paul’s companions heard the voice or saw the light, but not both?   Is “He who is not against us for us.” or is “He who is not for us against us.”?  They can’t both be right about those who are neutral. If you say they were both right, but at different times, you have taken away universality ((1) and (8)).

8)	Universal Applicability: What the biblical authors taught God’s people at any point in history remains universally valid for all Christians at every other time, unless explicitly revoked by subsequent scriptural teaching.

Possibly.  God has given me curiosity about general cases.  He instructs me only about my own.  It’s one of the advantages of not being a professional guide of Christians.

9)	Inductive Method: All matters of Christian belief and practice can be learned by sitting down with the Bible and piecing together through careful study the clear “biblical” truths that it teaches.

Let’s sew together our own scriptures.  That’s what this seems to invite.

10)	Handbook Model: The Bible teaches doctrine and morals with every affirmation that it makes, so that together those affirmations comprise something like a handbook or textbook for Christian belief and living, a compendium of divine and therefore inerrant teachings on a full array of subjects—including science, economics, health, politics, and romance.

No it doesn’t.  Some is plain instruction, some history, some biography, some allegory, some poetry, some myth (You must understand what I mean by myth.  I’m confident you do.), and more.  During the period of the judges, “every man did what was right in his own eyes.”  Is that good politics?  One message is that men must be governed, but not enslaved.  But then, that’s an interpretation, which literalists won’t allow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s the second dopiest set of propositions I’ve ever heard, and I’m not even ordained!</p>
<p>1)	Divine Writing: The Bible, down to the details of its words, consists of and is identical with God’s very own words written inerrantly in human language.</p>
<p>This could only have been written by someone who knows only one language.  Even rudimentary acquaintance with another language would tell him how the statement is impossible.  Does he propose that Jesus’s words came to us from Aramaic (or maybe sometimes Hebrew) through Greek without having to make approximate word choices?  What was “over the waters”?  A wind?  A spirit?  And then into English (see(5))?  And what about the variety of literary styles, where, for example, Paul’s writings are in a distinct style different from Peter’s or Moses’s.  Finally, those making this claim show ignorance of literary possibilities, such as apocalypse.  Anyway, why should the author of all language confine himself to a single genre, explication?</p>
<p>2)	Total Representation: The Bible represents the totality of God’s communication to and will for humanity, both in containing all that God has to say to humans and in being the exclusive mode of God’s true communication.</p>
<p>Does that mean that all the theology and inspirational material written since the canon was settled are without value?  (5) and (8) bear on this too.  I imagine that much that has been written since the canon was established might be included now if it were a new subject.  I especially like Sanctorum Communio as a candidate.  You might have some favorites too.</p>
<p>3)	Complete Coverage: The divine will about all of the issues relevant to Christian belief and life are contained in the Bible.</p>
<p>Perhaps by implication.  But if it is, I must draw out the implications, and so I must interpret (see (5)).  What do I do about my sassy children?  Bring them to the gate to be stoned?  Or did Jesus in the case of the woman taken in adultery abrogate that command.  If He did, I can find out only by reaching a conclusion myself—it doesn’t say so explicitly.</p>
<p>4)	Democratic Perspicuity: Any reasonably intelligent person can read the Bible in his or her own language and correctly understand the plain meaning of the text.</p>
<p>Then what does this mean, “The sons of the gods saw that the daughters of men were fair and took for themselves such women as they chose.”?  If there’s a plain meaning, or any meaning for that matter, I can’t see it.</p>
<p>5)	Commonsense Hermeneutics: The best way to understand biblical texts is by reading them in their explicit, plain, most obvious, literal sense, as the author intended them at face value, which may or may not involve taking into account their literary, cultural, and historical contexts.</p>
<p>That’s a good start, but Jesus himself uses parables which he explains as allegory when the disciples ask.  Is Job history, biography, or fiction?  It doesn’t matter because that’s not what the book is about.  And this, “The Lord said to my lord, ‘come and sit by my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.’”  I imagine David as court musician singing this as praise of Saul, but Jesus uses it to refer to himself as messiah, and his hearers apparently understood it that way, but it’s a second-level interpretation.  </p>
<p>6)	Solo [sic] Scriptura: The significance of any given biblical text can be understood without reliance on creeds, confessions, historical church traditions, or other forms of larger theological hermeneutical frameworks, such that theological formulations can be built up directly out of the Bible from scratch.</p>
<p>If you can do that, you’re more perceptive than I am.  I need contact with other Christians of all times to keep me on course.  I don’t want to make the mistake of thinking today’s pet idea (or, worse, my pet idea) is universal. Lewis warned about that, and he knew all the original languages and was acquainted with literature from all of history.</p>
<p>7)	Internal Harmony: All related passages of the Bible on any given subject fit together almost like puzzle pieces into single, unified, internally consistent bodies of instruction about right and wrong beliefs and behaviors.</p>
<p>Then why do Acts and the epistles differ on whether Paul’s companions heard the voice or saw the light, but not both?   Is “He who is not against us for us.” or is “He who is not for us against us.”?  They can’t both be right about those who are neutral. If you say they were both right, but at different times, you have taken away universality ((1) and (8)).</p>
<p>8)	Universal Applicability: What the biblical authors taught God’s people at any point in history remains universally valid for all Christians at every other time, unless explicitly revoked by subsequent scriptural teaching.</p>
<p>Possibly.  God has given me curiosity about general cases.  He instructs me only about my own.  It’s one of the advantages of not being a professional guide of Christians.</p>
<p>9)	Inductive Method: All matters of Christian belief and practice can be learned by sitting down with the Bible and piecing together through careful study the clear “biblical” truths that it teaches.</p>
<p>Let’s sew together our own scriptures.  That’s what this seems to invite.</p>
<p>10)	Handbook Model: The Bible teaches doctrine and morals with every affirmation that it makes, so that together those affirmations comprise something like a handbook or textbook for Christian belief and living, a compendium of divine and therefore inerrant teachings on a full array of subjects—including science, economics, health, politics, and romance.</p>
<p>No it doesn’t.  Some is plain instruction, some history, some biography, some allegory, some poetry, some myth (You must understand what I mean by myth.  I’m confident you do.), and more.  During the period of the judges, “every man did what was right in his own eyes.”  Is that good politics?  One message is that men must be governed, but not enslaved.  But then, that’s an interpretation, which literalists won’t allow.</p>
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		<title>By: Pr. Samuel Schuldheisz</title>
		<link>http://concordiatheology.org/2011/09/the-bible-biblicism-and-lutheran-perspectives/comment-page-1/#comment-1910</link>
		<dc:creator>Pr. Samuel Schuldheisz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 17:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said, Pastor Winterstein.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Pastor Winterstein.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kloha</title>
		<link>http://concordiatheology.org/2011/09/the-bible-biblicism-and-lutheran-perspectives/comment-page-1/#comment-1896</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Kloha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 18:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, Mrs. Scherck, thanks for checking and not going by hearsay -- Yes we teach the Bible and take it very seriously at the Seminary. Students are still required to learn Greek and Hebrew before they can study anything else, and from their first classes until their last they are studying the Bible and learning to teach and preach it, and not only in class, but hearing it in chapel, in Bible studies, etc.

Feel free to stop in the next time you visit St. Louis and sit in on a class or two!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Mrs. Scherck, thanks for checking and not going by hearsay &#8212; Yes we teach the Bible and take it very seriously at the Seminary. Students are still required to learn Greek and Hebrew before they can study anything else, and from their first classes until their last they are studying the Bible and learning to teach and preach it, and not only in class, but hearing it in chapel, in Bible studies, etc.</p>
<p>Feel free to stop in the next time you visit St. Louis and sit in on a class or two!</p>
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		<title>By: Dorothy Scherck</title>
		<link>http://concordiatheology.org/2011/09/the-bible-biblicism-and-lutheran-perspectives/comment-page-1/#comment-1895</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorothy Scherck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 16:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I came upon these posts by just asking a question on my Lutheran Hour site.
Situation:  My daughter-in-law a formeer LCMS member is now attending a Baptist Church but is in awe of the teachings of John Mac Donald of the Master&#039;s Seminary in California. In her mind he is the only one preaching &quot;from the Bible&quot;.  To cause further dissent, she states that a Pastor Gonzalez formerly at Hope Luthern Church in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin, told her mother, a member there, that they no longer study the Bible at Semiinary.  I can&#039;t believe this.  So I asked.  After reading the threads of these posts, it is clear that there is still a very strong value placed on Bible teaching and questioning.  I thank God for this.  I have been a LCMS member for 81 years.  I was taught and Pastored by strong students of the Bible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came upon these posts by just asking a question on my Lutheran Hour site.<br />
Situation:  My daughter-in-law a formeer LCMS member is now attending a Baptist Church but is in awe of the teachings of John Mac Donald of the Master&#8217;s Seminary in California. In her mind he is the only one preaching &#8220;from the Bible&#8221;.  To cause further dissent, she states that a Pastor Gonzalez formerly at Hope Luthern Church in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin, told her mother, a member there, that they no longer study the Bible at Semiinary.  I can&#8217;t believe this.  So I asked.  After reading the threads of these posts, it is clear that there is still a very strong value placed on Bible teaching and questioning.  I thank God for this.  I have been a LCMS member for 81 years.  I was taught and Pastored by strong students of the Bible.</p>
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		<title>By: Burt Harger</title>
		<link>http://concordiatheology.org/2011/09/the-bible-biblicism-and-lutheran-perspectives/comment-page-1/#comment-1867</link>
		<dc:creator>Burt Harger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Haven&#039;t you guys got anything better to do?  How about discussing how many angels can fit on the head of a pin?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haven&#8217;t you guys got anything better to do?  How about discussing how many angels can fit on the head of a pin?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boerger</title>
		<link>http://concordiatheology.org/2011/09/the-bible-biblicism-and-lutheran-perspectives/comment-page-1/#comment-1861</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Boerger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve found this article, in which AC Piepkorn discusses the history and meaning of &quot;inerrancy,&quot; to be helpful: http://lutherantheology.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/piepkorn-inerrancy.pdf
It seems to me that, though they may differ on the value on the value of the language of inerrancy, ACP &amp; Sasse more or less agree in their approach to Scripture.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve found this article, in which AC Piepkorn discusses the history and meaning of &#8220;inerrancy,&#8221; to be helpful: <a href="http://lutherantheology.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/piepkorn-inerrancy.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://lutherantheology.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/piepkorn-inerrancy.pdf</a><br />
It seems to me that, though they may differ on the value on the value of the language of inerrancy, ACP &amp; Sasse more or less agree in their approach to Scripture.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kloha</title>
		<link>http://concordiatheology.org/2011/09/the-bible-biblicism-and-lutheran-perspectives/comment-page-1/#comment-1860</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Kloha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 13:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello Brady -- For &quot;better &#039;word&#039;s&quot;, I don&#039;t know that there is a single term that can encompass all that we want to and should say about the Scriptures. In the early church and the Reformation they were quite content with words like &quot;inspiration&quot; and &quot;infallibility.&quot; but we&#039;ve used our Modernist (and now Postmodernist) framework to make those words mean things that our predecessors could not think.

I won&#039;t type it all in, I don&#039;t have time, but a few weeks ago I posted a comment based on Franzmann&#039;s commentary on Romans 12:2:

http://concordiatheology.org/2011/08/somebody-said-it-before-i-did-and-better/

Perhaps more to this issue is a couple paragraphs from Franzmann&#039;s commentary on Rom 12:1. I don&#039;t have time to type it all in, but here is the key sentence:

&quot;The new worship is grounded in &quot;the mercies of God.&quot; In that phrase Paul sums up the creative and transforming power of the Gospel of God as he has been proclaiming it in the first 11 chapters of his letter.&quot; 

Read the rest of the paragraph, great stuff (again). Point being, it is not so much what we say about the Scriptures as what the Scriptures say, and do, to us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Brady &#8212; For &#8220;better &#8216;word&#8217;s&#8221;, I don&#8217;t know that there is a single term that can encompass all that we want to and should say about the Scriptures. In the early church and the Reformation they were quite content with words like &#8220;inspiration&#8221; and &#8220;infallibility.&#8221; but we&#8217;ve used our Modernist (and now Postmodernist) framework to make those words mean things that our predecessors could not think.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t type it all in, I don&#8217;t have time, but a few weeks ago I posted a comment based on Franzmann&#8217;s commentary on Romans 12:2:</p>
<p><a href="http://concordiatheology.org/2011/08/somebody-said-it-before-i-did-and-better/" rel="nofollow">http://concordiatheology.org/2011/08/somebody-said-it-before-i-did-and-better/</a></p>
<p>Perhaps more to this issue is a couple paragraphs from Franzmann&#8217;s commentary on Rom 12:1. I don&#8217;t have time to type it all in, but here is the key sentence:</p>
<p>&#8220;The new worship is grounded in &#8220;the mercies of God.&#8221; In that phrase Paul sums up the creative and transforming power of the Gospel of God as he has been proclaiming it in the first 11 chapters of his letter.&#8221; </p>
<p>Read the rest of the paragraph, great stuff (again). Point being, it is not so much what we say about the Scriptures as what the Scriptures say, and do, to us.</p>
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		<title>By: Brady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We find comfort in our fundamentalism which leads to the worship of the &quot;book&quot; above Jesus.  For good or bad, we will always be affected by Seminex and be fearful of words that do not say inerrant will eventually lead back to those days. Lord have mercy.

I heard Depak Chopra tell a pastor, &quot;I don&#039;t worship a book of rules.&quot;  The pastor replied, &quot;I don&#039;t either, I worship the Savior of which this book tells.&quot; 

Are there better &quot;words&quot; to use when describing the Bible and its power?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We find comfort in our fundamentalism which leads to the worship of the &#8220;book&#8221; above Jesus.  For good or bad, we will always be affected by Seminex and be fearful of words that do not say inerrant will eventually lead back to those days. Lord have mercy.</p>
<p>I heard Depak Chopra tell a pastor, &#8220;I don&#8217;t worship a book of rules.&#8221;  The pastor replied, &#8220;I don&#8217;t either, I worship the Savior of which this book tells.&#8221; </p>
<p>Are there better &#8220;words&#8221; to use when describing the Bible and its power?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kloha</title>
		<link>http://concordiatheology.org/2011/09/the-bible-biblicism-and-lutheran-perspectives/comment-page-1/#comment-1853</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Kloha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 17:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re Sasse, David, that is neither what Sasse said nor what I represented him as saying at the symposium last year. If you heard me say &quot;Scripture is inerrant in regard to the articles of faith,&quot; then you are right to be concerned. But it is not what I said, not even close, really. The video of my paper is up on iTunes, you can listen to it again if you like. And Sasse&#039;s material is easily accessible, you can request it from the sem library if you don&#039;t want to purchase it. An open discussion would be helpful (and this forum, as well as the seminary&#039;s symposium last year, are both very public and open). Let&#039;s make sure that we 1) communicate clearly 2) understand fully what each of us are saying and 3) represent accurately and fairly what the other person is saying. 

I&#039;d be more than happy to sit down with you, David, or anyone else &quot;reading in&quot; on this, and work through this on the basis of Sasse&#039;s writings (or Preus, or Pieper). Perhaps that is the best way for this kind of discussion to happen. As you point out, lots of things get shorthanded on blogs, and so not everything comes across clearly. We are hosting another Day of Exegetical Reflection and Theological Symposium on Sep 19-21. Let me know if you&#039;ll be around for that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Sasse, David, that is neither what Sasse said nor what I represented him as saying at the symposium last year. If you heard me say &#8220;Scripture is inerrant in regard to the articles of faith,&#8221; then you are right to be concerned. But it is not what I said, not even close, really. The video of my paper is up on iTunes, you can listen to it again if you like. And Sasse&#8217;s material is easily accessible, you can request it from the sem library if you don&#8217;t want to purchase it. An open discussion would be helpful (and this forum, as well as the seminary&#8217;s symposium last year, are both very public and open). Let&#8217;s make sure that we 1) communicate clearly 2) understand fully what each of us are saying and 3) represent accurately and fairly what the other person is saying. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d be more than happy to sit down with you, David, or anyone else &#8220;reading in&#8221; on this, and work through this on the basis of Sasse&#8217;s writings (or Preus, or Pieper). Perhaps that is the best way for this kind of discussion to happen. As you point out, lots of things get shorthanded on blogs, and so not everything comes across clearly. We are hosting another Day of Exegetical Reflection and Theological Symposium on Sep 19-21. Let me know if you&#8217;ll be around for that.</p>
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		<title>By: David Oberdieck</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Oberdieck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 16:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff, 

Thanks for your time!  Maybe we get together at the Walther Conference?.  Let me end with these 2 thoughts:

**** (1) Sasse&#039;s view of inerrancy, how could I have missed this, is that Scripture is inerrant only in regard to the articles of faith (correct?).  He would say that it is not inerrant in every word or historical fact.  I *think* this is in line with what a seminary prof was saying at last years&#039; symposium.  

If this view of inerrancy has support at the seminary, then the LC-MS needs to have an open and brotherly conversation on the topic that will hopefully produce more light than heat.

 ***** (2) The situations I was thinking about were not hypothetical. Yes, I share the Goodnews of Christ -- that is the point of the Bible. One must always get to the message of Christ no matter where one starts (E.G. from debate on Hell to the fact Jesus received the punishment of Hell upon the cross for our sins).  

Please don&#039;t take shorthand on a posting (E.G. The Bible&#039;s trajectory being Christ, in point 3) as if I don&#039;t preach justification in Christ as the main thing.]]></description>
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<p>Thanks for your time!  Maybe we get together at the Walther Conference?.  Let me end with these 2 thoughts:</p>
<p>**** (1) Sasse&#8217;s view of inerrancy, how could I have missed this, is that Scripture is inerrant only in regard to the articles of faith (correct?).  He would say that it is not inerrant in every word or historical fact.  I *think* this is in line with what a seminary prof was saying at last years&#8217; symposium.  </p>
<p>If this view of inerrancy has support at the seminary, then the LC-MS needs to have an open and brotherly conversation on the topic that will hopefully produce more light than heat.</p>
<p> ***** (2) The situations I was thinking about were not hypothetical. Yes, I share the Goodnews of Christ &#8212; that is the point of the Bible. One must always get to the message of Christ no matter where one starts (E.G. from debate on Hell to the fact Jesus received the punishment of Hell upon the cross for our sins).  </p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t take shorthand on a posting (E.G. The Bible&#8217;s trajectory being Christ, in point 3) as if I don&#8217;t preach justification in Christ as the main thing.</p>
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